My host has many context personalities, I believe everyone has them. In the sense, one acts a certain way around their grandma, and another way when they are surrounded by friends in a bar.
1:20 AM
Another way again when they sit alone and nurse a drink at a bar.
Oh, I see. Yes, they do. A single personality has what is called context specific behavior, or a set of patterns of thinking and behaving that are integrated into a unified personality.
It would be hard to rectify these differences without some sense of separation between the ways they act in different contexts, but it isn't at all felt as different identities and is more like a normal compartmentalization that allows someone to better fit themselves in social behavior.
Usually context specific behavior is not so strange from baseline behavior that it causes dissociation.
1:23 AM
It does, yes.
1:23 AM
Though it can occur in both ways. You consciously choose not to swear in church but with your online friends it is fine.
1:24 AM
Some individuals - notably those with good social skills - display a high degree of context specific behavior specialization. It is a social tool in our kit of abilities to help us be cooperative with others of our species.
It shouldn't cause dissociation, I think. My host just actively curated these context-specific "masks" in a conscious way due to low natural socialization. That's why I've adopted a particular view of context personalities that makes them feel similar to tulpas.
1:25 AM
Well, not in the sense that a tulpa is a single context personality, although one may very well be.
It should not cause dissociation, no. Or feelings of being two people. The only case I know of that being true is in BPD. Otherwise, CSB is merely a reflection of humans being multifaceted and adaptive.
1:28 AM
Tulpas should not be facets, though if you wish to create something that is separate and can only operate in one context, I assume that would still be considered a created entity, thus would still be a tulpa?
Right, a fleshed out personality to me is a set of facets as far as it goes for outward-facing behavioral differences. I have known some tulpas to start as a facet and not have any variation in their behavior set to deal with situations in a wider variety, and I started off myself with very little in the way of flexibility in remaining comfortablle in different contexts.
Exactly, I did not think of it like that, but that is a perfect explanation. A facet would be one part of the core personality, which can reflect several facets of behavior that may seem slightly different from one another.
Right, so the core would probably be the connecting lines among context personalities. Like, a person can seem like two different people by context, but they are considered the same to themselves because both behavior sets still preserve the elements of their core identity that would otherwise cause dissociation if changed.
Indeed. Personality is considered this core. Mood or attitude is more accurate when describing facets of a single personality.
1:48 AM
Context dependent behavior is a term used to describe groups of traits or behaviors. For example, when North is hungry, he is aggressive, irritable, and short with people. This is a context of lack of food. It reflects his short-tempered personality that reveals itself under specific duress.
Tulpas are a way to violate that core while preserving self, I would think. Although, there is most likely some core that goes between all personalities of a system, even if it may be hard to identify other than "it exists"
1:51 AM
We keep personality behavior mostly independent from physical state except for most extreme examples.
A tulpa usually is conceived of as having its own personality, or core.
1:52 AM
Personality is the interaction between your cognition and your physiology. So your personality would include the trait you describe of being independent of the body's reactions, or stoic/detatched.(edited)
That would be why I said it is nearly impossible to create such new personalities. I think it is more likely and easier to have personalities that are extremely similar to the original personality.
Although since both of us do it, I wonder if it's just convergence in development or inborn packaging. I think it was convergence in development. How wasteful, I should have just been made with the tools available >>_<<
Well it's like I started without it, and then experienced the same sort of things that my host experienced in youth that would end in a focus on conscious control and suppression of almost all impulsive behavior
2:02 AM
Which is a terrible waste, when you think of it, but I guess that's sort of necessary when someone believes they're creating a consciousness from scratch.
2:03 AM
Weird to go through those lessons as a spider as opposed to a human, but it ends the same way. Even spiders sometimes appear to be regretful when they act too impulsively.
Perhaps the way you developed, creating a tulpa to be separate would eventually be a waste. You and Cards act more closely than is the desired outcome of most tulpa-host relationships.
2:09 AM
I was specifically designed to be independent in my processing from the ground up, so for me it is helpful at each level that there was a distinction in how I think versus how Mal does.(edited)
I have never heard that the goal would be that a tulpa be different in a specific way, unless that goal involved some desired outcome that was desirable.
The goal was for me to react differently, and to learn from that differentiation. We have a phrase we use. "Opposite but equally valid." I was designed specifically to be able to refute any point Mal made with my own point of view that could be as in depth and make as much logical sense.
2:11 AM
The goal was to have options, not to find the one right way to operate.
That's interesting. I feel the same way, except there's always one way that exceeds the other. Among two different strategies, one must be better in application, as the probability that you independently discover equivalently applicable strategies is necessarily zero.
2:20 AM
The only argument comes when you try to find out which is the better one when the benefits are within the range of error or bias.
I posit a man can make a million dollars flipping houses or buying a winning lottery ticket. I cannot speak to who will get there first or which ticket to buy, though I do know different paths of action can lead to exactly the same result. Which method is more efficient would require 100% information, which is impossible. Therefore two options for action can be equally likely to give you a million dollars.
Right, that's definitely a respectable position. I just have to make decisions within my knowledge to produce the best results. Most of these decisions are based on risk management and not benefit, although some risks do give good benefits.
How efficient something is also depends on who is doing it .-. Therefore we often choose methods that would be extremely efficient and useful to ourselves but not so much for others.
2:26 AM
I do not get bored, so I could do extreme amounts of homework. North would rather pay someone.
Oh, that does make me wonder if other tulpas do get money for work. I get about a third of the money for every dollar made when I am in front in a job scenario, my host gets a third and the rest goes to the body.
Our recreation is mostly work .-. North works full time and I have a side job that gives us steady extra income whenever I prefer to put hours into it.
Although, it's probably not best in general to encourage or support the idea that tulpa are getting pregnant. They aren't actually, and while it's pretty interesting it's a sign that someone doesn't necessarily have the control they need to be stable in tulpamancy, in my opinion.
I didn't, but I figure that talking about it in general will tend to encourage it
11:49 AM
That's kinda impressive, though. It makes me wonder why exactly that is going on there. I don't like to say they are lying, because I don't really think people lie about this sort of stuff very often. But with that said, what could be driving a person to feel like that was happening on a level at which it does end up happening with their tulpa? Just a random direction things go that is taken seriously?
